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As I’m reading, this story just confirms my delight in the Uncle’s sister.
Marvellous as usual, I read straight through, and I have to say I am no TYOP reader. I didn’t see any
Sue, did your copy have the table of contents listed twice at the beginning, or was it just mine?
Yes it did have two table of contents.
I was excited to actually be able to buy the eArc in good time to maybe be among the mighty tyop hunters, but life is being difficult right now. We shall see if I Get Time. There was one section of dialogue where I wasn’t sure who was speaking, but I’m going back to look and see if it was just me being obtuse.
Meanwhile, the book was great at my first read, although I have to wonder if anyone else was a little perturbed at Anthora drinking a lot of wine whilst pregnant.
I dearly love the tree deciding who is family! The fact that Anthora can heal that horrid whistle call is super brilliant. There was lots of the plot that really went well for me.
Thank you for making a spoiler space available for me to make these comments!!
I hadn’t particularly noticed Anthora drinking wine but thinking about it now, I assume she would, as a talented healer, be able to protect her child against the ill-effects of alcohol. Or perhaps this particular effect of alcohol doesn’t occur in Liadens.
I think that the “humans” in the Liaden Universe have been so heavily manipulated genetically that they just don’t react the same way to environmental influences as we poor control naturals do.
I’ve noticed that Shan seems to always have a glass in his hand, sometimes just before heading to the bridge.
I think planetary divergence is also an issue. It seems that most humans are planet bound. Which must have some effect on the genome.
I had some difficulty tracking who was speaking as the POV jumped around.
I quite enjoyed the story and the vision of the station being so beautiful, unlike every other station in the series.
And we finally got Uncle’s full name.
The Uncle’s sister was great. I was hoping that when she extracted Joyita when he got lost chasing the virus, that she should have downloaded him into a blank body.
I felt that Lorith could have been more rounded out as a character. She had been subverted by Tinsori Light when she pulled out her knife, but then she seemed to disappeared from the story until the rack and tiles were destroyed.
I will read it again to look over that part in particular. While I am at it I will look for TYOPs.
That niggles me too. And what was she working so hard on, in secret?
Re-reading this book was a delight. My difficulty tracking was about me, my lack of paying close attention. The story is great.
Delightful first read. Now comes the “work” part…
What a -satisfying- read. From the first chapter to the last, I was fully engaged. Reading the authors’ afterword, I understood my delight. Sharon said: “The characters on Tinsori Light deserved better from their authors. They deserved not only hope, but help. They deserved a reason to believe in good things again. They needed reasons to go forward.” Ah, hope–isn’t that “the thing with feathers,” or in this case, merely mimicking things with feathers. 😉
I too found a couple spots that would benefit from use of a name instead of an ambiguous pronoun; those will be included in my own TYOPS report. RE: Anthora drinking wine while pregnant, I would have assumed, had I thought of it, that she was more than able to “heal” the harm in the alcohol as it touched her lips.
Thanks for reminding me of the comment about hope. On my re-read I am noticing the mentioning of love, joy and innocence.
Early on in my reading, I guessed, wrongly that Bechimo would download one of his stored personalities to be the station, nice curveball/screwball.
For the last several mainline books I have been hoping we might find out woh will be the trader in Theo’\s crew. My guess have expanded to include the Uldra-Joenz family Others are Vanz Careens-Denobli . Gordy and lastly Padi. I think that Padi and Theo in the same book would blow the covers off it. Hpw-so-ever I think OBA (Our Beloved Authors) could make it work but might not survive the effort unchanged or even intact so to speak.
Another possible is Trader Isfelm from Redlands.
I really enjoyed this book, but that was not surprising. Glad that I got to finish it on my birthday! A great indulgence. My only disappointment was that I would have liked Gordy to make an actual appearance. I confess to wanting to know what kind of adult and trader he has become, beyond just his letter. I really enjoyed getting to know Jen Sin and Catie–and of course seeing all the folks we know already. Have submitted my TYOP report. I only had to go back once or twice to figure out who was speaking.
Film writers are often advised to watch Hitchcock and note how he cuts between two competing plot perspectives races as a way to build tension. I have not gone to count how many perspectives are in play here. The authors had my attention anyway.
Is there a foreshadowed love interest for Jen Sin?
Now that we have more details on the origins of Bowli ball, it warrants more description in the wiki.
I did get distracted with noticing where Light Keeper was capitalized and where it was not.
Re: the capitalization, I noticed that too, but I think the usage is consistent, following the rule of capitalizing when the title immediately precedes the name or is used as direct address, and not otherwise. Dealing with titles and melant’i is a bit complicated in this book, given diverse professional identities and relationships. To Tochol or Jen Sin, for example, Theo can be Captain, Theo, or Cousin. And melant’i can shift within a conversation.
Stuff I liked : avians/birds. Anthora and Ren Zel becoming active, more tree cousins,
ldra-Joenz on the scene, all the strong women, Ren Stryker, Disian, distinct charater voices,
Catalinc station becoming and freeing Tochol.
Just off the top of my head.
Tolly and Haz becoming a couple too.
Slow thinker here.
This came to me today.
Tolly and Haz are a/the reflection of Cantra and Jela.
Genders and all, mirrored.
The three great works
In the chapter entitles Bechimo En route
The three great works are mentioned. Tinsori being one.
My stab/guess is that Daglyte Seam where the DOI Commanders were promoted/infused was another.
I have no clue as to the third.
Anyone have a guess. speculation or recollection ?
There was a World Eater somewhere … which had been distroyed by the hero Ahab-Esais.
I always thought of Naratha’s Shadow as something else – maybe something construted specially to distroy a Great Work – and therefore dangerous in itself.
Do you happen to recall which book or story that event was in ?
Naratha’s Shadow is one of the storrys, and the World Eater Glyeth was mentioned in the book acceting the lance, right after mentioning recruiting station at Hols Senneth.
With Theo (and the Tree that had come through in Spiral Dance) recognizing the Institute-designed people as genetically related to Cantra, i was waiting for her to also recognize the Uldra-Joenz family as her cousins through Daav’s paternal line. And my hopes are raised for Daav to somehow connect with his paternal cousins…. though since he and Aelliana are stepping up as Road Boss on Surebleak while the Delms head to Catalinc Station, it’s more likely to be Val Con discovering his cousins (or Miri or Theo doing it for him…).
I wouldn’t be surprised if Gordy gave Shan some clues about meeting the relatives… too bad he didn’t show up jet. I would love to see the meeting between him and the Bechimos crew.
And then I’d like to know how Gordy and his trade will compare to Pady or Jethri…
I love the way OBA (Our Beloved Authors) snuck Miri’s plan for clan by choice to accrete tree-kin and other gene connected people
into or near to clan Korval. I foresee a possible marriage with the Careens-Denobli family in the futuer. Also a possible reconnection with the Uldra-Joenz. Neogenisus had some far reaching plans that are only now starting to blossom.
I read it in one gulp yesterday, from noon to midnight. I’m going to go through more slowly today.
I noted in my TYOP report that section headings, as listed in the Table of Contents, were only present sometimes in the text. Anyone else?
I only had one TOC, in Apple Books.
Joelle in the initial Travelers Aid crew rang a bell for me as someone we’ve encountered or heard about before. What am I thinking of?
Not knowing what Lorith was up to added so much suspense and tension to the story!
I love the volunteer firefighters model of space rescue!
So much deliciousness.
Yeah, the missing section headings with the locations and days in my Kindle version bothered me as well. I sent in the list in my TYOP report.
Jaileen, not Joelle
Trees we have met. Jelaza Kazone. Yulies tree. The tree residing in Bechimo. The new sapling on Catalinc Station. Unknowns are the two trees for the Yos’Galen island. I also wonder if the Clutch in the person of Clan Knife would want a seedling if offered. Anyone know of more that I did not mention ?
My faulty memory.
Tiazan and Tel vosti.
Erob has a tree on Lytaxin.
By all that is Benevolent, I love how these books send me on a research jag.
In Plan B, I just noticed Jen Sar …Tiazan of Ckan Erob. The Kiladi intersection.
If Veeoni succeeds in destroying the Lyre gene banks then the only viable gene banks belong to the Uncle. Caveat, that we know of. It was intimated by Vespal thew YXTrang ambassador that their banks were degrading. I appeal to the ‘Authors’\ to create a stream were we could list characters we would like to read about. Just names and/or a short description. ie Beba the merchant that sold the sinners rug to Pat Rin and the above mentioned ambassador. I have others in mind. I’m just saying.
Yes, I am looking forward to Veeple’s meeting the Pathfinders, the continuation of that line.
Has anyone figured out yet how long it takes from Surebleak to Catalink? Imho it must be something between 18 to 25 days. Can anyone do better?
My thoughts are that our authors make time keeping flexable.
My liaden guess is 12 – 24 days. I don’t even know how long they have been on Surebleak or how old Shindi Mik and Syl Vor are.
How many days flight between Redlands and Catlinc Staion ?
Will Shan send Anthora and Ren Zel to Redlands for a recharge ?
Kareen is not a pilot. How can she stand in for the delm?
Should not Nova of Krvid be temp delm instead ?
Delms can change the rules if they want to.
Kareen’s mother could have changed the rules if she’d wanted to. She didn’t. She may have had good reasons, mind you, but she could have, and she didn’t.
Val Con and Miri, clearly, have.
Kareen is a lot different than she was back on Liad.
Does anyone know what color the station is ?
I am hoping it is a Pink Catalinc.
Have we had any detailed information about the contents of Jen Sin’s courier packet? Very curious what sort of “scheme outlined would have destroyed Korval, and [the planet] Delium itself.”
Is this related to Rinork’s dabbling in piracy which was ongoing at the time of our last adventure with Jethri? But alas those stories do not give us a Korval perspective of events, so we probably won’t learn any details there either.
Another Liaden tease and/or food for thought
Bits of backround are always fun to fit in to the overall tapestry.
Lots of loose threads hanging around out there.
I am reminded of something Lois Bujold said in response to a similar question. Basically some of her best lines, and backstory implications, “just felt right. “
Wouldn’t be surprised if the authors are also still somewhat in the dark. Sometimes characters are very tight lipped about their past.
Anyone think that a or the Bedel ship might show up at Catalinc ?
Yuri did start them and I would really like to read that story.
Do the Bedel know it ?
Can anyone pint me to where Andreth is located ?
I presume it is closest location to Catalinc since it was ta the forefront of the Catalinc Project.
According to the Wiki “Andreth – an associate of The Uncle found signs of surveillance at Catalinc”
Since Veeoni is ordering supplies from Andreth he/she must be located reasonable close possinly closer than Edmonton Beacon.
Isn’t Andreth at the uncle’s research station near Catalink? The one that Inki and Tochol evaded with smuggles ace and that Tolly and Haz talked their way through with an old password? The research station that gathered all the data about the remaking of the universe?
The edmonton Beacon site ?
neogenesis – final Tinsory Light chapter – 2nd section: ” The dust clouds had dissipated. Andreth at the research station had shown her the analysis….”
It appears to me that this book is a sequal to Neogenisios.
<y hope for the next non-Jethri book is that ti will be a follow up to Traders Leap.
Salvage Right has I believe been turned in
Is JenSin of the same time frame as the Jethri arc ?
I don’\t recall the ‘clan wars’\ being mentioned.
Anyone have a guess or info ?
My guess is later. Jen Sin “died” two hundred standards before the present time, and my impression is that the Jethri arc occurs long before that.
I was fascinated by the shadows of people killed by Tinsori Light. It reminded me of a shadow I saw at the ground zero museum in Hiroshima of a woman vaporized by the bomb. I wonder if OBA were ever there, or was it just those squirrely minds? Great story.
Is that shadow mage online ? everything else in the world is.
Yes, a simple search will find several examples.
I thought that Spiral Dancer was flown onto Liad by Nova in an earlier book
Flown to Bechimo by Stost and Chernack to save Surebleak.
stost and Chernak flew it to Bechimo to help deal with the old-tech.
Flown from backyard of Jelaza Kazone to the port.
All on Surebleak.
As far as I know Spiral Dance has never been to Liad.
Now that the Uncle and Korval are partnered, might the tree ask Uncle, to clone
Cantra and Jela.
I like the way that Anthora and Ren Zel found there way back into the story line, now that they are diminished – but still perfect for solving the Lyre Institute.
I would love to see them sent to Redlands for a recharge, sooner or later.
That’s a good idea Terry.